The Hasselhoff/Green Day Hate Club

[Mr Butterfly]

They ought to make a record together, and rule the world in some sort of power-sharing agreement.

[eris]

butterfly said:

They ought to make a record together, and rule the world in some sort of power-sharing agreement.

Only if they give me a space ship off the planet first. I don't think I could live like that.


*imagines Hasslehoff/Billy Joe ruled world*

*cowers*

*curls into fetal position*

*starts mumbling and eating spiders*

[Mr Butterfly]

hehe, singing the baywatch theme over and over to yourself.

[woolythinking]

It may not be a good plan, but I think there'd be a whole lot of love in a world ruled by Biily Joe and The Hoff. Cheesy, angsty love, but love none the less.

That said, anytime someone tries to tell me Greenday are punk, I feel this urge to weep at the stupidity of mankind.

[eris]

butterfly said:

hehe, singing the baywatch theme over and over to yourself.

Mercifully I have no idea what that sounds like. Almost enough to make me believe in god really.

[Javac]

Not that i know too much of Hasselhoff (not really intending to either), but the commercialised, flat souding "punk" Greenday brings nowadays is enough to receive my vote.

[aeiou]

butterfly said:

They ought to make a record together, and rule the world in some sort of power-sharing agreement.

There was a small part of me that hoped this thread was inspired by such a duet.

[jason (lord of all)]

I think pop-punk covers them well enough

[cedric]

hihi I kinda like green day, smite me
At first I didn't, but their concert on werchter convinced me

[Great Mistake]

1. Billy Joe says he doesn't make punk
2. If they're bad because they're not punk, that means only punk is good??
3. What is "commercial" anyway? I like all their albums, they're always a bit different. I was a fan when I was 12 and I still liked the last one. Not my favourite band, but it was quite good.
4. Who the fuck is hasselhoff?

[Mr Butterfly]

This is Hasselhof. I've linked to him to avoid the wrath of Eris.

[Javac]

greatmistake said:

3. What is "commercial" anyway?

Flat sound, not much differing from several other bands/groups/singers.
Compare Greenday's last effort with Good Charlotte or others of this kind.

[cedric]

greatmistake said:

1. Billy Joe says he doesn't make punk
2. If they're bad because they're not punk, that means only punk is good??
3. What is "commercial" anyway? I like all their albums, they're always a bit different. I was a fan when I was 12 and I still liked the last one. Not my favourite band, but it was quite good.
4. Who the fuck is hasselhoff?

I couldn't have said it better.
I too, have no clue who hasselhoff is

Comparing good charlotte with greenday is as offensive as comparing coldplay with eels.

[woolythinking]

javac said:

greatmistake said:

3. What is "commercial" anyway?

Flat sound, not much differing from several other bands/groups/singers.
Compare Greenday's last effort with Good Charlotte or others of this kind.

Hmmm... compare most modern indie bands, and they all sound the same. I know what you mean, but since Good Charlotte, etc. are mostly attempting to copy Greenday, that's not that fair. Only the Stiff Little Fingers can complain here. Truthfully, I quite like Greenday. I don't think they're great, but I think they're fun. I don't think they're punk, but since they say they aren't, this makes me hate stupid people, not them. I don't like misclassification of music.

[Javac]

cedric said:

Comparing good charlotte with greenday is as offensive as comparing coldplay with eels.

I'm comparing good charlotte with the latest greenday.

[Javac]

woolythinking said:

I don't think they're punk, but since they say they aren't, this makes me hate stupid people, not them. I don't like misclassification of music.

They are not punk - of course (maybe their earlier stuff).
But whenever I hear something of Greenday on the radio now, they sound mostly like the "look! we're cool! we play punkrock!" hyped groups from the past few years.

For the Belgians: see also Janez Detd (or however you spell it).

[cedric]

I don't like janez detd, and I pretty much hate all the so called punkbands that consist of some 16 year olds.

Green day has experience, hence they've been around for 15 years or something (maeby a bit less). But I remember them playing woodstock '94

[eris]

Meh, I only know of Green Day's early works, and as far as I knew they used to consider themselves punk, and a lot of their listeners consider them punk. Punk or not they bug the shit out of me. They're so. . . . . . . dull, repetitive, unoriginal now. Theier pre-Dookie work was so great and fairly original, then they got a bit of fame and just started making the same kind of shit music as Blink-182 (and yes I know Blink copied them initially, but now the two are just indistiguishable), with slightly less whining about their parents' divorce. I really do wish they'd go away.


Damn, I forgot to add Shatner to the Hate Club. D'oh!

[Great Mistake]

I don't think you know what you're talking about. It were the first two green day albums who weren't original. Back then they were just a copy of the buzzcocks!! They were fun, but not original at all. Since then they've evolved, and gotten more experimental. Especially their last two albums were different:
- Warning was more accoustic and folk inspired
- The new album is a mix between punk and a rock opera, with two 9 minutes songs of which I really liked the first one, including piano and beachboy-like backing vocals. No one has ever made anything like that, it's a quite original mix.

I've read in more than one interview with Billy Joe Armstrong that they come from punk but aren't punk anymore and aren't trying to be punk.


By the way: I hate good charlotte, and do'nt think they sound like green day at all. I also hate janez dedt, sum41 and blink181.
I used to like the offspring when I was twelve, but now they bore me. Still think they were ok back then though.

[Great Mistake]

ANother thing: Green day had a big succes with dookie and american idiot; but in between they didn't have a lot of succes at all for ten years. while blink182 and others were stealing the show with their crap. Warning was a flop. They can't help it that their last album was a hit. I'm sure they're happy about it, who wouldn't.

Sorry, but I need to defend green day. I kind of grew up with them.

[eris]

greatmistake said:

I don't think you know what you're talking about. It were the first two green day albums who weren't original. Back then they were just a copy of the buzzcocks!! They were fun, but not original at all. Since then they've evolved, and gotten more experimental. Especially their last two albums were different:
- Warning was more accoustic and folk inspired
- The new album is a mix between punk and a rock opera, with two 9 minutes songs of which I really liked the first one, including piano and beachboy-like backing vocals. No one has ever made anything like that, it's a quite original mix.

I've read in more than one interview with Billy Joe Armstrong that they come from punk but aren't punk anymore and aren't trying to be punk.

All I know is what I hear on the radio as I stopped buying their albums after the crapfest that was Insomnia. And nothing I have heard on the radio from them has sounded even remotely original to me, it sounds much the same as all the other garbage I hear on the rare occassion that I'm desperate enough to turn on the radio or MTV.

To each his own though, I just think they stink.


EDIT: I grew up with them in a way as well. When Dookie came out I got 1039 Smoothed Out Slappy Hours and enjoyed it and Dookie to a lesser extent emmensely. But Insomniac was so bad, I had to write them off, and nothing I've heard since has led me to reconsider that decision.

[Great Mistake]

insomniac rocks. I have a big poster of the cover, which rocks too, hanging above my bed.

[jason (lord of all)]

90% of the bands I listen too are punk

and I generally dislike pop-punk bands, but Green Day, and the Offspring, I do not

I can tell pop-punk from popular punk-rock, Green Days latest album certainly is more low key in terms of a punk sound, but that's production, not execution, listen to bands like MxPx, no use for a name and homegrown, they are alot less commercial than green day but they make really poppy music, and no where near as varied as anything green day have made.

I think that the term pop has totally changed it's meaning, like see the eels, they are still pop, but they certainly arn't very popular anymore.

anyway, the point I am making is that Green Day have been successful in making punk rock music and have consitently kept themselves up there for a reason. They have always been poppy, they never changed that fact.

They were part of the californian punk explosion, and have inspired hundreds of bands, coldplay and david hasselhoff can dream about that kind of an impact

They have done a great service to punk rock, despite breaking the 'punk rules' and they made some cash in the process, so what? it'll all be forgotten by those punk elitists in no time at all, whats it worth? what else would they do with thier lives?

I've forgotten what I'm arguing against now, so try n pick something useful out of that.

[woolythinking]

eris said:

Damn, I forgot to add Shatner to the Hate Club. D'oh!

Woah, now. Let's not get carried away and say things we don't mean about The Shatner. That said, congratulations on making Sexy Grandpa!

[eris]

hmm, I thought if I deleted the first post it would delete the whole thread.


I only intended this thread as a joke, and I don't like it anymore now that its gotten ugly.

Tucker, could you do the honors please?